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Episode 3

Little Lord Fauntleroy- Waukesha's Cold Case w/ Josh Hughes

On March 8th, 1921, the remains of a young boy were found floating in a pond near the O’Laughlin Stone Company’s Waukesha quarry.

The boy was dressed in a gray sweater, black stockings, a blouse, patent leather shoes, and Munsing undergarments. The quality clothing and fancifully dressed suggested the young man was from means.

The newspaper writers gave the unidentified boy the nickname, Little Lord Fauntleroy after the literary title which depicted a young well-dressed boy who was adopted into aristocracy.

Who was this little boy and how did he end up at the quarry?

Mike and Jeff are joined by Josh Hughes from Waukesha Ghost Walks to discuss the tragic tale of Little Lord Fauntleroy. Josh gives his insights on the case as they discuss the motives behind his killing and his possibly identity.

Josh Hughes

Waukesha Ghost Walks

Waukesha, WI

Little Lord Fauntleroy (literary character)

Little Lord Fauntleroy (victim)

Waukesha Quary

King Ralph (1991)

Spotted Dick

Milwaukee Ghost Walks

Fisherman John St. Croix River (Stillwater, MN)

Stillwater Ghost Walks

Change.org Exhumation Petition

Slenderman

Slenderman Stabbing

Mound Builders of the Mississippi Valley

Cahokia

Scientific Studies/Papers

Filicide in the US: Indian Journal of Psychiatry- Resnick

Filicide/Suicide Common Factors in Parents who kill their children themselves- Resnick, Susan Hatters Freidman- Journal in the American Academy of Psychiatry 2005

Child Sacrifice in the Western World- David Medeema (2004) Journal of Critical Thinking and Bioethics - CedarEthics, vol. 4, pp. 5-7. ISSN 2333-9713

Keith Reyes- UTEP- Filicide as Child Sacrifice in the Judeao Christain Worldview of the US- Dissertation

Munchausen by Proxy

Wisconsin Rapids native, Jeff Finup is the mind behind Badgerland Legends, which explores Wisconsin's mysteries and fascinating history, a post at a time. Legends, lore, history, cryptids ,and more from the Badger State. Find his work on Instagram and Facebook.


Mike Huberty, hailing from the town of Big Bend, near Milwaukee, is the owner of American Ghost Walks, a haunted history tour company with locations in Maine, California, Illinois, Minnesota, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and started in our very own Badger State of Wisconsin - with tours in Lake Geneva, Milwaukee, Madison, Waukesha, Bayfield, and the Wisconsin Dells. Find out more at AmericanGhostWalks.Com.

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Wisconsin, a paranormal paradise with lake

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deadly killers. It's a lot more than just America's

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reality. From American ghostwalks and Badgerland

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Legends. This is the Wisconsin Legends

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podcast.

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All right, guys, before we get started in today's episode, I want to give

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you two notes. First, we get really dark in this

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episode. We discuss themes like child death in ritual,

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child sacrifice. So if you're sensitive to those topics, you got young

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kids around, probably not the best episode for you. Second,

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after the episode, there's a special segment that you won't

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want to miss. All right, let's get into the show.

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Welcome to the Wisconsin Legends Podcast. This is Mike

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Huberty with American ghostwalks. And I am joined by

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Jeff Finnap Badgerland Legends. And today we've got a really

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special guest for you from the Waukeshaw Ghost

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Walk. We've got Josh Hughes, our fantastic Waukeshaw

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guide. Yes, thank you for the wonderful intro, Josh.

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People here have already heard about how I got into the paranormal, how Jeff got

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interested in the beginning. How did you get interested

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in the weirder side of the world? Well, it all really

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started from some experiences I had as a young kid at my home in

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Waukesha. That really led me down a path of anything

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weird, just trying to learn more, discover what it is. And that's led me now

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to my house where I live in Waukesha with my wife. So you're a lifelong

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Waukeshaw resident? Minus the few years I spent. Oshkosh green

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Bay, New York Basically most of it was in Waukesha. All right. And now he's

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back. Now he's back to let everybody know what kind of weird stuff

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happened in a town. You just wouldn't quite expect it.

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Now you have an unsolved cold case

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for us all the way from 100 years in

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the making. And this is something that when I grew up in the

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area, it was a story that I had never heard. I'm fascinated to hear

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what you've come up with and in your research, what you've

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discovered about this particular unsolved murder. Please let

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us know. This is one of the stories that when I first started doing The

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ghostwalks, when he first hired me, I was like, hey, Mike, did you hear about

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the little kid that died in the pond? And you're like, yeah, little Lord fault.

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Leroy of course I've heard of him, right? And I thought I had, like, this

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golden nugget that I was presenting to you, but you're like, yeah, everybody knows about

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that. The thing is, not everybody has ever heard about this story. A lot of

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lifelong Waukesha residents are like, oh, my God. It started about

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100 years ago on March 8, 1921, when a

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worker at the O'Loughlin Stone Company was just going to work

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for the morning, and he stumbles upon this dead body in

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the pond. So this would have been a retention pond for the quarry.

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Correct. The quarry at that time would not have been that deep. This was a

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retention pond nearby. And if you're familiar with Wakasha, if you live there now, if

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you go through there, it's the big quarry that's just beyond

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the really? You can't miss it. It's right there. So it's

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still here today. It's still a place you can go and check out. Do they

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still dig up stones and stuff? It's still an active quarry. It's under a different

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name now. But I did reach out to them to see if I could get

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a tour, just kind of see where everything happened. And they haven't responded

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yet. Okay. Maybe when they hear the podcast, they'll let me inside the gates.

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All right, we hope basically this worker finds this little body floating in the

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pond. He runs back to the company office, and that's when they phone the

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sheriff. So the sheriff comes down with the coroner and they drove over

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to the quarry pond. When they were doing a little more

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digging in the area, they decided they had to call in the Milwaukee Police Department

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to conduct a wide search and to possibly

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identify who this little child was

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dead in the pond just for the uninitiated. How far is

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Waukeshaw from Milwaukee? So Waukesha today

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is probably a 2025 minutes drive.

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Back then it could have been close to an hour. Right. So before

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the interstates came in. Because right now, if you're going on like I 94 or

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whatever, you can get from downtown Milwaukee to downtown

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Walkershaw in about 20 minutes without traffic or anything. Right. It's a good question because

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back then this is a big deal of, okay, we got to call the Milwaukee

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Police Department. That's probably going to be maybe an hour. One way to get there.

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They call the police out. They're trying to find any

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clues as to who this little dead boy is. Now,

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they did make note of his physical features, which no longer seemed

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to exist. As I reached out to the Waukesha

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Police Department and the Waukesha Sheriff's Department, they basically,

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quote, unquote, said our record keeping was not that good

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back then. So I'm sorry, but we don't have anything from before

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1944, which different time. Right. It's

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100 years. So give them a little bit of. A break there, which most of

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my stories take place before the 40s, so. We'Re not going to steal any

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evidence from the Walker Show evidence locker, unfortunately. Right.

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They did note that the boy was likely between the age of five and seven

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years old, quite short, less than 4ft tall. He had

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blonde hair and brown eyes. Now, the child didn't appear to be

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malnourished, and there was no physical marks of abuse on his

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body. But what did capture the police

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and thereafter the nation's attention, was his very

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strange attire. He was dressed in a blouse, a button up shirt, a gray

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sweater from the at the time, very expensive Bradley

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Knitting Company. He was wearing underwear, black stockings and

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patent leather shoes. You can kind of paint the picture that this

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boy was very well dressed. Maybe he was from money

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or a very well to do family. A boy like this turns up,

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he's of means it seems like he'd been prominent in

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a community of some sort and somebody would come looking for him.

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Correct. You think that people are going to miss this kid, right?

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It's not just some random bum off the street. Well, right. And if it was

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just some kind of random murder or

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they were trying to get rid of him, why bother with the nice

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clothing? That could be something you could resell maybe

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for the evidence or whatever, right? But why bother dressing him so

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nicely if you're just going to kill him and throw him in the quarry

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where you hope that no one will ever see him, right. Already very

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suspicious. Right. And the police knew that when they first found the

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boy. When the newspaper reporters got sight of the

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child, they read the police file. They dubbed this mystery

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Dead Boy little Lord Fauntleroy. And it's taken

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me years to be able to pronounce that name, right. But Little

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Lord Fauntleroy was named after this lavish character

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featured at the time in a hugely popular piece of

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sentimental fiction. The book was by Francis Hodgson.

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Burnett? From what I've been told, the people that have read the book,

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I guess kind of similar to Matilda, a little kid that gets into

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antics. Right. But then also the idea, I think that the things he

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was wearing comes from the story is that it's like an

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American boy that learns that he's got an English title,

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right? So then he goes over to the UK

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and it's like King Ralph with John Goodman. You guys remember that movie

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where he find that John Goodman is like an American slob and he

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finds out that actually he's in line to the British throne

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and goes over there and makes jokes about the food, like Spotted Dick. And

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the idea is the vulgar American coming over to

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the high class aristocracy of England.

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And that's a little bit of a little Lord Fauntleroy. And it's a popular

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thing. You have this idea of this kid dressed in high society,

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but he's found in a place where you

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dump a derelict, right? Yeah. So I guess in hindsight, it's

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almost as if they were poking a little fun at this boy. To

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me, when I first heard the story, I thought that it was a

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little like it was a little mocking or a little

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cavalier for the tragedy

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and seriousness of a dead child. Right? And

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really after that, there was not much else to be written about

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this strange dead boy that was in Waukesha, as they did

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a little more further investigation. They weren't quite sure

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how long he had been in this pond. They estimated between a week

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and six months. Well, and you think he's found in March,

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right? March eigth is when he was found, yeah. So he's found in March.

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So the water could have been cold, maybe frozen

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for a while, maybe preserved. Him a little bit. Preserved him a little bit better

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than if he's found in August, right? Yeah, that's true. And really,

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besides suggesting that he came for money based on the attire, police

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were at a loss for who this kid was. This is where the story

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gets interesting, trying to figure out who Little Lord Fault Norway was.

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So in an attempt to gather some information, the police put him on

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display at a local funeral home. Now, that building still exists

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to this day. It used to be a funeral home and a crematorium, but

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now I believe it is a law office and a hair

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salon. Every time I pass it on the Waukesha tour, I point out this is

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where the boy was when it was the funeral home.

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Sounds like a place ripe for ghost hunting. I wonder if the lawyers in the

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office realize what the origins of the building were. Well, yeah. I

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mean, with typical funeral homes, occasionally there can be a

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spirit that still hangs out after many years. Well, and if the lawyers won't talk

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about it, you know, the girls at the hair salon will.

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Every time I get my hair done and they ask what I do and I

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go in, they're like, well, let me tell you about what happened to me. And

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I'm like, excellent. What is it with hairdressers and ghost

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stories? Because whenever I say, oh, yeah, I'm doing something in paranormal, they

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always have an anecdote for me. They must just be a little more

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plugged in. That's funny you say that. I just went to a new

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hairdresser, and my wife's been going to him for years, and when he

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found out I was into this stuff, he's like, oh, yeah, I know this gay

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witch that lives in Milwaukee. You really got to meet him. He's the most interesting

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character. And every time I go get my hair cut now, we talk about the

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gay witch in Milwaukee. Who self proclaimed gay witch.

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I didn't give them that title. Sounds good. I want to meet the gay witch

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in Milwaukee. We'll have to bring him on for his own Wisconsin legend. Sounds like

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Alison and T need to hook up with him for the Milwaukee tour. I agree.

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That could be interesting. So

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as this Little Lord Fault Neroy is displayed in the funeral home

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window, the public is invited to come on in. And do you know who

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this kid is? Right. And while many people came to see

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him, no one could offer up any more information. The case goes

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cold for quite some time until a quarry worker comes up with some more information.

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Now, he gave the police their very first lead on who the identity of

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Fault Leroy might be. And he had said a couple weeks prior,

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he had witnessed a young woman in a red sweater wandering

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aimlessly throughout the pond. As he approached this woman exactly what

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are you doing here? She anxiously inquired about whether he had

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seen a little boy in the neighborhood. Now, this quarry

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worker added that the woman in red then joined a male

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companion, and they drove away in their car. That seems to

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be a really good tip right there. You got a woman looking for a boy.

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There's another guy there. She's anxious about it. He says, we didn't see anybody, and

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they get in the car. Right. Do we know in the timeline

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from when the boy's body was discovered that this

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other quarry worker came about with this story? Now, he stated this was

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about five weeks before the corpse was found. And when did he come forward with

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the information? After. So from my notes,

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it looks like it isn't quite noted when

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this Corey worker came forward with the information, it could have been

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a couple of weeks, it could have been a month after. The couple was never

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located by police. I'm sure it would have been close to impossible to find a

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woman in a red sweater. Right. But the authorities did receive a tip

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that the same exact woman had died by suicide in the

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same pond where fault Narroy had been found.

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So what they did was they set off dynamite in the water in hopes that

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the explosion would bring another corpse to the surface. But despite their

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efforts, they didn't find any more bodies in that pond. I love that that was

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their solution to it. So it's like, here's what we could do. We could dredge

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the pond, we could look around. Instead, we're just going to

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blow something up right. And hope a body comes up, hops

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out. Well, it's quarry, so they're stocked with dynamite. So it seems like the

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logical solution. Right? No, but that's just like well, you know, we could

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they used to have mystical means of doing that. There was a guy on the

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St. Croix river in Minnesota near Stillwater, who they were called

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fisherman John, and his specialty was

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finding bodies in the St. Croix river because so many people,

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their relatives were lumberjacks or their sons or their husbands, and people would

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just disappear without a trace. They would do things like put mercury quicksilver.

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They would put that in bread and put it in the water and see if

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it would pop up in a certain area. And that was supposed to show where

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the dead body was. And fisherman John, like he had a business card that he

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was the finder of lost bodies. They should have called him out to waukesha

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instead of using dynamite. Right. I think he was just dead by that point because

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I think he died in the early 19 hundreds. Sure. But I'm sure he had

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somebody in his family that could have been like, I got some bread. Yeah. Let's

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break open a thermometer and see if we can find a body.

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The detectives, their only theory as to what this

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couple was doing there is that they sent their little fault

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Neroy boy off to play while they made love in the car

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and that he had tragically fallen into the pond and

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drowned. They quickly dismissed this theory when

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the coroner's examination revealed that the body had a

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deep cut on the head, which indicated

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Fauntleroy had been beaten, slashed,

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whatever, on the head with a blunt object before

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presuming thrown into the pond. They also

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revealed that he had very little water in his lungs, which means he was most

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likely dead before he was thrown into the quarry. I like

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how their first theory is that,

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oh, yeah, well, you know what happened? The couple was doing it, and then they

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just sent the boy off and he fell in. Right. Yeah. It's like, go wander

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off by the quarry there. Anybody who grew up in Waukesha knows that you're

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supposed to go to the missile silo if you want to make out guilty. Yes,

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guilty. In high school, it was a creepy place to go in Waukesha,

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but they're making that into a very nice outdoor space now.

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Oh, okay. That's going to be a cool place to go. And then you go

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down to Raise Grain. It's going to be a very nice area. All right, well,

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I hope they keep the parking lot. The police, then they decided to post a

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picture of the boy in every single newspaper in the Midwest. And

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three men offered a financial reward of

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$250 large sum of money at the time for any

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information on the identity of this unknown boy and or

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his killers. Nothing came out of that. They then raised the reward

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to a still. There was nothing on who fault

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Naroy might be or who killed him. It seemed the

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case would close until the owner of a local department store

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in Waukesha insisted to police that he had sold the clothes

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that were on little Lord Fauntleroy when he was found dead

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in the pond. And he says he sold his clothes in January. So now

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you can kind of narrow down that timeline of, I think

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they said a week up to six months, down to maybe three or so months,

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sure. But there was no way to determine who actually bought the clothing. There

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were no receipts. I mean, if there's no police reports back then, there's probably not

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good receipt keeping. Well. And David Dobrik, the place that he owned was called Liberty

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Department Store. And that sounds like a Waukeshaw department

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store. So many department stores back then. Right.

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And Liberty, I mean, it's right after World War I,

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and I think somebody today would probably still name their Waukesha department

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store liberty or Freedom or, like, pull my guns out of my

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cold, dead hands kind of thing. I did a tour of

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Waukesha during the preservation days, and there was a

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woman, probably she was close to 80 in a nice

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old Victorian era dress, and she pointed out every single

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dry goods store and department store that she went to as a kid. And he

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just had no idea that there was that much business in downtown

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Waukesha as late as the Waukesha kind of went through

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a downtime in the 90s, but now it's rejuvenating again. It's

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becoming a fun place to go to again. It's a really fun place to go

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to when you guys go on the Waukesha Ghost walk, that's what makes it. Really

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happening this summer. The Beatles bar Leto B will be open

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then, and it's going to be a really fun time. Good. Well, let's hope they

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don't find any more dead kids.

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Another break then surfaced a few months later when a witness claimed to be

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able to identify the unknown boy. A Chicago man named

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JB. Bilson stated the child was his

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nephew and the son of his sister. This

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man explained that his sister's ex husband had kidnapped their two

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children and even threatened to kill them on several

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occasions. Seemed like a promising lead. But then the police

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investigated the claims, and they verified that the children were actually

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alive and well. Thus the killer of little Lord Fauntleroy Roy

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and his identity back to a cold case. And you'd be surprised

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when you talk about, like, family members kidnapping kids and

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then taking them out of state and what the law could do about

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that. That happened to my own family in Milwaukee in the

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1950s. One of my uncles

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ran off with some waitress or something like that to Florida with his

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daughter and left his wife and the other kids

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behind, and there was just nothing they could do about it. Right.

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So people seeing that and then this J. B. Belson guy, and he

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says, man, this guy's horrible. To my sister, he's threatened them, all

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these kind of things. I bet it was him who killed them. And then

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you just feel for that family. Like, no matter that GE Hormage's kids

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were found alive, that's great. Their family still needs to go to counseling

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or know it's still a tragedy. Yeah. It's such a different

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time. We really can't relate or fathom how different

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police work and family lives were back then. There's no Child Protective services.

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No, there's some social welfare stuff, but not like today.

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There's no number to call when you see somebody beat a kid. Right. Yeah. It

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was good discipline back then, I suppose. Right

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after this, what seemed like a promising lead, they announced that the

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remains of Little Lord Fault Neroy would be transported to the Weber Funeral

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Home to be properly prepared for a burial and there was a

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local woman in Waukeshan named Minnie Conrad who spearheaded a fundraiser

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to help with the funeral costs. So on March 14,

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1921 that would have been

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not that long after the boy was found. No, not even a week. So, Jeff,

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we can go back to your question of

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when did this Corey worker come about

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saying, I saw the woman in the red shirt? It was probably a few days

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after they put him into the funeral home's front window.

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Yeah, in the first week. Right there. Right. So they buried him on March 14,

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and a small white casket was gently lowered into the ground

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at Prairie Home Cemetery. Now, an unknown person

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had scrawled our Darling on the lid of the casket, and

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Minnie Conrad placed a bouquet on the boy's grave every year

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until she died. I did find a newspaper article talking more about

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Mrs. Conrad. She recalls the day that she found out they found

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a dead child in the quarry. And she says that someone

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came into the store I was working at and said that they found a little

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boy who had been murdered in the quarry. And she went to look at the

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little boy, and her heart filled with pity. I thought my

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own little grandsons could have been this boy. And I felt sorry that he would

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have to be buried in a public cemetery. So that's when she

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raised the money. I think she said it was $170 for the outfit

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and the casket. And that's when they buried him in

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Prairie Home Cemetery. Every year on March eigth, mrs. Conrad had

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a pilgrimage where she would go up to the gravestone and put flowers on there

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to pay honor to little Lord Fauntleroy. Now, her last pilgrimage was

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in 1940, and she recalls, it was a very snowy and

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cold day, but she made the journey to visit

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this unknown boy. And that same day, she repeated her hopes

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for the future. If I can only live long enough to hear the

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murderer of that boy confess and get what's coming to him, I have a

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feeling that someday he will come to my door and tell me why he

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did it. Unfortunately, that never happened. She passed away,

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and she was buried right next to the unknown boy.

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Beautiful story. It's nice to see someone with so much heart for someone that she

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had no idea who even was. We probably wouldn't know the

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story without Minnie Conrad keeping the memory alive

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and going to visit like people do for Jim Morrison's grave. Or

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remember the mystery person that leaves the doesn't they leave a bottle on

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Edgar Allan Poe's grave in Baltimore every year? Sure, leave the

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guy like a bottle of alcohol. Like alcohol didn't destroy his life. And then there

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was a mystery woman in black in Los Angeles. And we talk about this

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in our Hollywood tour or an La bus tour. We go to Hollywood forever.

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Cemetery that she used to leave a bouquet of flowers

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by Rudolph Valentino's grave every year on the anniversary of his

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death. Sure. Really, it's sad that this happened. It's cool that she kept the memory

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alive, and it's cool that she's had that effort. Like, let's give this child a

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proper burial. Let's give him the respect that he didn't get in life. And it

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is quite the little gravestone to go visit. Once I heard about this story, I

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was like, I got to go up to Prairie Home and add this to kind

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of my rotation of graves that I go to involved with stories on the

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tour. Recently, I went to visit the grave of Little Lord

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Fauntleroy, and to this day, there's still coins, little

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trucks, toys, because people do go there and still visit

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him, because it's one of the famous stories of waukesha.

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So, really, this story goes cold for about 20

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years, and you've got Mrs. Conrad visiting him.

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And there seems to be a strange epilogue that occurred in

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1949. That is when a medical examiner from

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Milwaukee hypothesized that the unknown boy could actually have

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been a child named Homer Lemay who

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disappeared around the same time that Little Lord Fauntleroy had

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been found in the quarry pond. Now, Homer's father,

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Edmund, was questioned after his son's continued

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absence, but Edmund stated that Homer had been adopted

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by a Chicago couple in 1921. Lemay

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claimed that they had taken the boy to Argentina, of all places,

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right. And later sent a clipping to him that alleged the

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boy was killed in an automobile accident.

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Now, if it's believable enough that a

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Chicago couple adopted your kid, then they went to

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Argentina, and then they said, hey, actually he died in a car

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accident. That's a few red flags going up. Right. Yeah. And here's the

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newspaper. Don't bother coming to the funeral. They could have sent him

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a telegraph. They could have called him at that point. Right. Something, anything that

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your son is now dead in Argentina. Right. It just gets a bit bizarre.

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And the Milwaukee police investigated this. They actually sent a

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detective to Argentina, but found no proof to validate

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that these claims, including a newspaper article. Nothing was

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found that could say Homer Lemay died in

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Argentina. But what's even weirder than that is that

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Edmund Lemay, his wife, went missing, and he says

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she ran off and that there was no foul play suspected. And they actually ended

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up searching the same quarry where the body of Little Lord

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Fauntleroy was found. But again, they found no more bodies

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in that pond. So it's just bizarre that this Edmund

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character, his son, goes missing, and then his wife goes

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missing. Perhaps he has a history of getting rid of people he doesn't

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want around in his life anymore. Yeah. And to play devil's

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advocate for Edmund, his wife, maybe he wasn't a

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straight shooter, and maybe his wife did up and leave him, but it

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is highly suspect that both his wife and his son went

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missing in succession. Right. Well, I mean, if just, like,

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devil's advocate here. I don't know Edmund or whatever, and I'm not the

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prosecutor, but what do you do in

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1921 as a single father if your wife up

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and leaves, takes off, and you don't know what to do with your kid? Maybe

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he didn't know how to take care of a kid. Maybe he didn't have enough

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family himself. And so he says, Well, I want to give this boy a mother

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and a father. And so the kid gets adopted by a Chicago couple. But there's

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got to be some kind of you figured there'd be some kind of records. Now,

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this is 20, 28, 29 years later. So this is happening in

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1949, and the original case happened that they find the body

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1921. So say this is 1920. So it's almost

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30 years later. And you would think that they'd be able to find some adoption

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records at, like, a church or something. Right.

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But the cops come up empty handed. They said they got to Argentina. Imagine getting

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that assignment. Hey, Jones, you're going to Argentina. Find a

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newspaper, bring some good cigars back too. Right? Right. You hope that the guy

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spoke Spanish. I will say in maybe accusing

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Edmund a bit more, when oh, yeah, let's fry him. Yeah.

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When Fauntleroy was being displayed in the funeral home,

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they actually took a few photos of him, which don't really seem to exist

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anymore. And when they reopened this case in

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1949, they compared the photo of Homer

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Lemay and little Lord Fauntleroy, and they showed them to people who

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were around during that time. And they said that's the same exact

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kid got eyewitnesses that have seen the body, have seen the photos,

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which Jeff does have. And they basically said that's

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the kid. But there was no evidence that they could prosecute

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Edmund with. Right. You still have to have a case against them, and everything's still

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circumstantial until you have that. Yeah. And they even wanted

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to exhume the body to see if this was the same

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child. However, the sheriff and the coroner decided not

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to do that and to ultimately let Little Lord fault Naroy rest in

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peace. He is still there to this day. Simple little

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tombstone. Unknown boy found in O. Loughlin Quarry, Waukesha,

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Wisconsin. March 8, 1921. And you can

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see that the pictures that they put in the newspaper of him, they're very

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1920s. The things he's wearing striped

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rompers, black stockings. Yeah. Black rubbers for his

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boots, the white cloth top button shoes, dark gray

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sweater. And it's just a very

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sad story. That they put in there, comparing the

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photos of, well, at least the drawing of

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Little Lord Fauntleroy and the photo of Homer Lemay.

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The one thing that I can point out that's different is and I'm not sure

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how black and white photos exactly work with blonde hair. But they said that Little

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Lord Fauntleroy Roy had blonde, curly hair, and Homer Lemay clearly

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has darker, straight hair. Could that have been something with the

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water? This body was in the pond for quite some time. Did it affect

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his hair in some way? But if you look at the drawing and the

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photo, it certainly could have been Homer Lemay. Right.

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Edmund Lemay ended up living until 1981 in

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the Milwaukee area. And he had another family.

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Right. He got remarried, I think, a few times. He had a whole new

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family. If you're trying to convict somebody of this, you could maybe

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presume that Edmunds got rid of his wife, got

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rid of his son and started all over again. What that

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means, though, is if they exhumed Little

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Lord Fauntleroy's body now, they could do a DNA check.

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You could certainly do a DNA check because the Lemay family still

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has people living to this day, distant relatives perhaps, right. And whether

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they want their dad or their grandfather, whatever he put through the wringer. But

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I would think even HH. Holmes great great grandson or

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whatever he wanted to know, like he had the body exhumed for the TV

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show. Right. And so you think somebody would come up with enough money, be like,

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hey, do the test. There's even a change petition that

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people can sign to demand exhuming the body. Not that the

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Walker Shop sheriff or whatever the police department is going to be like, okay,

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but with enough people are interested, they might be eventually able

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to hopefully settle something or at least find some relatives. Because if they find some

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relatives of this kid, well, then you might be able to have an idea

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who it was. And then finally, after a hundred years, we can put a

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name to this tragic case. Right. And it's on the outside. We're

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interested in this story because it's very different. Right. It's very tragic. And

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we certainly want to find out who fault Nor Roy was and maybe who did

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this to him. But then if you dig that body up and you find somebody

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who doesn't want to relive these memories or doesn't want to

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know, this was my relative, then you're kind of messing with history. Right? Yeah.

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And it's a very fine line that. You want to leave the dead

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rest in peace, but also you feel like there might be some

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closure just for if you believe in a soul or

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spirit that at least there was some justice

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historically to identifying this unknown boy

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and giving him a more prominent burial. So

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I think I could see how it'd be controversial, but I think ultimately it'd probably

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be the right move. Wouldn't it be nice to put a name to that instead

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of just being on your tombstone? Unknown boy? Yeah, we can

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certainly we have the means today to find out who he was.

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I'm sure that would put his soul to rest. Somebody else that was trying to

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put his soul to rest a few years ago was a psychic by the name

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of Marie St. Clair, and she did what she calls a

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psychic investigation into the little Lord Fauntleroy case.

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And that's a remote viewing thing where she tries to get into

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the head of the murder victim and kind of see what happened. And she kind

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of wrote down a lot of the stuff that she saw, and she

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writes it in first person. Let me read you an example. I'm in a house

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in a fancy parlor with lots of expensive furniture and a huge

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fireplace. The walls are pale. A wild navy colored carpet with a

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red, blue, and yellow leaf or floral pattern covers the floor.

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Overall, the vision is somewhat blurry. Now, I'm walking down a long

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hall. The same carpet covers the floor. And there's an ornate stairway

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at the end of which faces away from me. I must be at the back

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of the house. I see a slim man in a dark suit, neatly dressed with

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short hair. He has an immaculate appearance. His face is long and his eyes are

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dark. He looks young, and then he looks old. He's at a desk before a

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typewriter or other machine. Maybe it's a sewing machine. I can't make it out

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too well. The scene shifts. I see this man in a bathroom with an old

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style sink and tub. Then the view of a long haul again. And then she

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kind of goes into the different things. It's a grand home. It's got a big

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stairway. There's a parlor. She sees the man above her.

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The wall is covered with trophies. She thinks they

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indicate success, that maybe he's rich, he's into politics, or maybe he's a

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businessman. And then she kind of just grows with his psychic vision. She

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gets to the point where they enter a woods, and I return to the woods

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where the man stands on the hill. He throws the body over the side. I

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briefly get a flash of another man burly overweight with long, wavy reddish

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hair, a mustache. He's about 40. I don't know who he is or

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what his part in this is. Perhaps he witnessed this event and never told anyone.

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I see the boy's dead body lying in a rocky cove or cavernlike area

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on a thick bed of leaves. More leaves are all around him. I'm guessing

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that the water washes his body out from his resting place during the

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spring, as he was found in March. Well, that doesn't

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work, really, because how would water from the

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quarry reach some kind of forested area? It's

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in a limestone quarry. If they left him in the forest, it wouldn't

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just kind of wash in there and wash away a body. Well, I

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mean, it is a forested area, and specifically, back

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then there would have been many more trees. Perhaps the quarry wasn't that

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deep at that.

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Maybe. Okay, so maybe psychic marie Claire. She's onto something here. Well,

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and then I'm sure the man who lived in the big house killed him. I

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think the boy is his child and he's unwanted. I'm back at the mansion. I

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drift to another scene and an old woman, the one I saw in a wheelchair

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earlier, sits and cries. I see the boy, and he's in a simple house. Then

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he's sitting outside near the tower of the brick mansion. He cries

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alone, and no one comes to his aid. Basically, she says

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that she sees Edmund Lemay in her

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tall, Thin man in a dark suit is who she focuses on. She

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has a picture of Lemay in there. So basically, psychic

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Marie Claire, according to her investigation and her remote

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viewing, she blames the dad. Now, do we know was the Lemay

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family from Money? From my research, they were very basic

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at the time. It was a very simple family. They weren't from money. The trophy

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thing I don't think really checked out. Maybe if her psychic reading

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is onto something, it could be somebody entirely different. Right? And then

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Edmund Lemay is just another tall, thin man, you know, because the

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tall, thin men always get blamed for this kind of stuff. Especially in

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Waukeshaw. There's a whole nother tall, thin man that got blamed for something

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else, right?

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Let's say it was Edmund Lemay that kills his kid or anybody. That

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it wasn't some kind of murder. That

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was not like we think of murders today. We think of somebody killing a kid

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today. We think of, like, the guy that abducted Adam

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Walsh, kidnapped him and abused him and killed him. You think

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of someone that's got a van with no windows

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saying, hey kids, I got some candy, come on in here and kills them. So

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we think of these kind of psychos as murderers. That's not

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really who kills kids. Oh, this is

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Dr. Philip J. Resnick, and he did a lot of the studies and work

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on child murder back in the late sixty s. And he's still working on it.

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And this is from his philoside in the United

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States and the Indian Journal of Psychiatry in 2016. So philocide

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means killing your children. The United States has the highest rate of child murder

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among developed nations. The most common perpetrator of child homicide is a

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parent in infancy. The US rate of homicide is eight for every

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100,000, several times higher than Canada at 2.9 per

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100,000. About 2.5 of homicide arrests in the United States are for parents

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who have killed their children. 2.5%. Two and a half out of 100

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homicide arrests are for parents that kill their children. This amounts to

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about 500 a year. The rates of child homicide decrease

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with the child's age. So the younger the kid, the more likely they'll

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be kid by their parents. So he goes back in his initial study. And this

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is from Child Murder and Mental Illness in Parents implications for

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Psychiatrists by Dr. Resnick and Hatters Friedman,

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MD. And this is in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry. Parents kill their children for

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five major reasons fatal maltreatment,

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altruistic. They're acutely psychotic. It's an

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unwanted child or spousal revenge. Fatal maltreatment

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deaths occurs at the end result of child abuse, neglect, or

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factitious disorder by proxy. That's munchausen, like the 6th

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sense. Remember the mom and the 6th sense was poisoning the kid. So it's

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munchausen by proxy. Or it's when people beat their kids and neglect. So that's when

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they die because the parents are jerks. And I mean, I guess if you kill

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your kid, you're a jerk no matter what. In altruistic cases, the parents kill

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out of love, believing that death is in their child's best interest. That can

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occur in psychosis or depression or when a child is terminally

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ill, like they're going to die anyway or they have some kind of cancer. Well,

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so could on a theory there, if this was from a

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not so well to do family and they thought that the child was

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supposed to die or had cancer, and this is how you're going to go, could

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they have dressed him up in a very fancy outfit, killed him and thrown him

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in the pond as like a burial ritual? Well, when we talk about the amount

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of homicides that happen of children, it's not the guy in the

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van. The vast majority are the parents.

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There's parents who acutely psychotic kill their child for no rational

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reason. That's when somebody's having let's say they're schizophrenic and they start hearing voices.

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That Satan's in the kids that's happened. Remember Andrea

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Yates in early two thousand s or late ninety s? I can't remember.

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But when she killed all her kids, like five kids and her husband came

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home and saw that that was she had a psychotic break. And that's something where

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that's guilty by reason of insanity versus unwanted children may

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be killed because they are seen as a hindrance to the parents own goals.

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That's something like, oh, we can't afford to feed you, or this

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kid's really getting in the way of my career kind of thing. And then there's

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the JB. Hodgson or whatever thing we were talking about with a woman in

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Chicago and that family when her brother came forward to the police and said

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that it was her no good husband that took the kids and killed them.

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Spouse revenge. One parent kills the child in order to severely

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emotionally wound the parent. These are all terrifying things.

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90% of Philistine perpetrators are biological parents. 10%

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are stepparents. Stepparents are far more likely to kill children than

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biological parents. In the child maltreatment homicides with

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abuse, neglect, fatal child abuse in stepparents is 100

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times higher than in biological parents. The strongest

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predictive factors of maternal child homicides. So if they were killed by their

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mother, if the child was killed so let's say little Lord Fauntleroy was killed by

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his mother are maternal, age of 19 years or less, education

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of twelve years or less. So they didn't finish high school. Single marital

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status, no husband, and late or absent prenatal care.

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They didn't do anything to take care of themselves or the baby when they were

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pregnant. Men, as opposed to women who kill their children, are more likely to

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kill. Older children are more likely to be

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unemployed, are more likely to be facing separation,

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spousal revenge, and are more likely to abuse alcohol or drugs.

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The kids 16 to 18 fathers commit those murders 80% of the

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time. Fathers are more likely to kill when there's doubt about paternity and

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when the child is viewed as an impediment to their career. Thanks, dad.

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So fathers are more likely to kill when there's doubt about paternity. That's the kind

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of thing you find out your six year old was not your kid, and so

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you freak out. Or that when you think about different kinds of

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motives that people could have to do such a horrible crime as

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a blunt force trauma on a six year old boy. Paramours

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rarely kill their own children. Let's say you married into a mixed family

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and you're a stepfather, as well as,

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like, there's another kid in there. They more often kill the sons of their

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predecessors, so you're much more likely to kill

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the kid of the ex husband than your own. That being said,

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what did the quarry worker say? That the woman was

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coming in and she was desperate and looking for a child, and they

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figured that she would have killed herself too, or maybe she was killed

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as well. So that was their first idea that, oh, they killed a

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child and then she killed herself for her. Let's dynamite the quarry to find the

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body. Blow out of the water. Philosophy suicide common factors in parents

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who kill their children themselves. This is again. Susan Hatters Friedman,

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philip J. Resnick. Deborah Hoyda, carol Holden and

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Stephen Nofsinger. These are all well educated people who have

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butchered their names, but this is in the Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry

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and the Law. In January 2005, Resnick reported a

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relief of tension after altruistic and acutely

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psychotic philosophies. The expulsion of energy after the child's death

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explains why some parents who had intended philoside suicide to kill their kid

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themselves then didn't complete the act. Conversely, other parents,

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quote upon realization of the gravity of their act, may attempt

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suicide even when it was not planned. Unquote in the reported literature,

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a large proportion of philosophy have suicides with them.

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16% to 29% of mothers and 40% to 60% of fathers who

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commit killing their children also kill themselves. Fathers higher rates

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of philosophy suicide are possibly related to the higher male suicide rate in general.

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In children under five years of age, over 60% are killed

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by their parents. Meanwhile, the murder rate for US. Children under five years

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age is more than twice the rate of our Canadian neighbors children of that

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age. I just thought it was interesting that so many of

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they went into immediately looking for that

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the mother committed suicide if the child did too. And that

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seems to be that. The evidence and the data also supports

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that. Going a little bit later on the article women who commit

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infanticide and then attempt to take their own lives are also

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more likely to kill more children. So if

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they plan to go out, they plan for everybody to

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go out. But you're wondering

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why if we talk about the different reasons that you would kill a

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child and you say there's the psychotic which is what? That's the only one we

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could assume, right? That's the one we always assume. Like you got to be crazy

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if you're going to do that. Why would you ever do that? Well, that's a

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very modern interpretation and so the

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altruistic thing we'd say only maybe somebody would consider

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it not I hate to even say this as a parent

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somewhat moral, some kind of euthanasia, as morally

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acceptable. If your child has some kind of

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disease then they would just be miserable and so you got to put them out

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of their misery. But there were plenty of civilizations

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and parents throughout history that

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didn't think it was a negative thing to

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kill your children. And in fact it might have been an

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honor. What if it's part of your religion? Child

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sacrifice in the Western world. This is an article 2004, written by

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David Medima in the Journal of Critical Thinking and

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Bioethics. In order to understand the nature of ancient practices

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one must understand the mindset of tribes that participated in acts

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like child sacrifice. As many people know, several South American cultures

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held ritual games to determine who would be sacrificed. What many

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do not know is that in at least half of the cultures it was winners

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of the games who won the right to be sacrificed. In short,

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these people viewed it as an honor to become a sacrifice. Furthermore,

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it was a great privilege to give up one's children for this cause. In some

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South American cultures the sacrifices were annual whereas the

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details in certain Middle Eastern cultures varied. Some

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gods, such as Moloch required child sacrifice on a

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frequent almost daily basis while others, such as Baal required this

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annually. This was the people's worship to their gods and they expected

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to be rewarded. The cultures were convinced that by sacrificing

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their children quote their lives would be better

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unquote. And when we talk about an area that's

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right by Waukeshaw we have the

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ancient town of Astland and this is

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right about 30 miles. So it's outside of Waukeshaw County. It's in Jefferson

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County. And basically if you're taking I

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94 out of Waukeshaw towards Madison

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25 minutes later or maybe 20 minutes if you're. Going 75

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not to be confused with the Motocross track right on the highway there that's also

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called Asdalon. It's a state park. It's pushed back a little ways

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there, and it has several steppe pyramids and

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several burial mounds there. And it's an amazing place to visit.

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But Mike can tell us a little about the human sacrifice that

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happened there. Well, it's not like they're doing like the motorcycle races over the

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mounds. No, hopefully we're a little more respectful than that. So this is

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from the online collection from the Milwaukee Public Museum. Astoland was first discovered

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by Europeans in the fall of 1835 by Wisconsin territory settler

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Timothy Johnson. And upon hearing of the stories judge Nathaniel

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Hire, who is a Milwaukee settler, visited, it was Judge Hire who

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first gave asteland its name. The name asteland comes from the mistaken

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idea prevalent in the early 19th century that the site may have been the northern

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place of origin of the Aztecs of Mexico. As mentioned in their

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legends and oral traditions, judge Hier related Azteland to the

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Aztecs based on the resemblance he saw between its mounds and the

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Aztec pyramids. So the first scientific and systematic excavations

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of any archaeological site in the state of Wisconsin were conducted at asteland in

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1919 by Samuel Barrett and the Milwaukee Public

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Museum. Barrett conjectured that cannibalism was a major part

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of the Mississippian diet at asteland. Mississippian is the

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culture of the mound builders. They came from, and they had a

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gigantic city called Cahokia near St. Louis that they think

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Cahokia was about 1400 years ago when it was big, but they think

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at its biggest was up to 40,000 people. So a huge, huge

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city of this Mississippian culture, these mound builders. And she said the

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cannibalism was a major part of their diet, based on the numerous butchered, broken

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and burned human bones in refuse areas, fire pits, and the nature

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knoll area of the site in the southeast corner of the enclosure.

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Warfare and cannibalism are among the most heavily debated topics of archaeological

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research and interpretation, and they're also a great interest to people

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who like asteland. Since Barrett's initial excavations, it has been suggested

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that warfare and cannibalism were important organizing factors in Mississippi

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and societies as a whole. If they do represent cannibalism, several

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ethnographic analogies suggest it is possible that members of the society or

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war captives were consumed as part of ritualistic

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sacrifices. This is 30 miles away from where they

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found little lori Fauntleroy one of Astellan's most famous and intriguing

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discoveries was the burial of a young woman known. As the Princess of

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Astellon. This is the largest burial mound there. It's a large

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conical burial mound, measured about 50ft in diameter, standing

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6ft above the ground when it was constructed. This burial was one of the most

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unusual ones because it contained the remains of a female in her early 20s

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adorned with 1978

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perforated discoidal, local clamshells, and a few

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imported Gulf Coast marine shells. So from

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Mississippi, the princess was placed in her back in a fully extended position

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nearly 10ft from the surface of the mount. This astland individual was

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dubbed the princess by Samuel A. Barrett because he reasoned that her status

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as exhibited in this elaborate and distinct burial was likely

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inherited. But her actual status is unknown, of course, because we don't know anything about

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them. Now, he thought it could be because she's from an elite family or she

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was part of a chiefly lineage. That's the idea. So we have

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the princess who was found in

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Cahokia, little Lord Fauntleroy, dressed know. So

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she's dressed up to the knights, and the only burial there, the

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only one they found north of Cahokia that had that kind

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of ornamentation on her. And she wasn't necessarily a

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human sacrifice or anything. I don't even know if the Mississippian culture really

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did human sacrifices. That's above my pay grade. But I just think it

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was an interesting connection that you found

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famously in Wisconsin when you have two unknown

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bodies dressed up to the nines in their

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burial unidentified, they both end up being pretty

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close to each other, if not centuries apart. Right.

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Okay. So child sacrifice to us, sounds

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disgusting, right? Sounds horrible. We're shocked by it. When we talked about

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the Aztec culture like that, they mistakenly thought that Azteland was part of the

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Aztecs, the Aztecs and the Incas. We talk about human sacrifice

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and child sacrifice. They found a location in Peru where they thought they had

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194 kids sacrificed at once. A burial.

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Just insane. It's shocking. It was shocking to the Spanish explorers.

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That's part of the rationale that the Spanish

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conquistadors used to destroy those civilizations.

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Why would someone in modern times,

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or at least what we think of more modern times, maybe 100 years ago, why

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would they think that child sacrifice would be acceptable?

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Well, we're going back to everybody's favorite book of the Bible. You think about

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Christianity, early 20th century people look a lot more religious than they

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are now. Well, the story of Abraham, right? Who's the founder of the

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religion they call Judaism, Christianity and Islam the

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Abrahamic religions because he's the patriarch, the guy that

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started it. Genesis 22. Sometime later, God tested

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Abraham. He said to him, Abraham, here I am. He

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replied, Then God said, Take your son, your only son, whom you love,

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Isaac, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as

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a burnt offering on a mountain. I will show you. Early the next morning, Abraham

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got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and

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his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set

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out for the place God had told him about. On the third day, Abraham looked

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up and saw the place in the distance. He said, his servants stay here with

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a donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship, and then

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we will come back to you. So he's already lying to his servants he's? No,

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no. This is setting up kind of a hit. God tells him he's got to

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kill his son. Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on

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his son Isaac. And he himself, he carried the fire and the knife. As the

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two of them went together, isaac spoke up and said to his dad or his

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father, Abraham father. Yes, my son? Abraham replied, the fire and

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wood are here, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?

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Abraham answered, God himself will provide the lamb, my son.

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And the two of them went on together. When they reached the place God had

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told him about, abraham built the altar, arranged the wood. He bound his son Isaac

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and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. Then he reached out

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his hand and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of Lord

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called out to him from heaven, said, Abraham, Abraham, here I am. He replied,

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do not lay a hand on the boy. He said, don't do anything to him.

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Now, I know that you fear God because you have not withheld from me your

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son, your only son. And then, because

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Abraham was willing to sacrifice his

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child when God commanded, he feared God so much

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that here's what the angel says. The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from

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heaven a second time and said, I swear by myself, declares the Lord,

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that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,

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I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in

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the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of

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the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring, all nations on earth

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will be blessed because you have obeyed me. Well, right there in the Bible,

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we're not talking about some ancient text or the Phoenicians or

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we're talking about the regular Bible that we all learned in Sunday

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school. God commands you to kill your kid to be blessed. Right.

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Why would then somebody who's a little off

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or who's crazy think that? You hate to say crazy because

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that's not a scientific term. But somebody who is delusional

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might think they're doing an altruistic thing for their child by

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sacrificing them. This is coming in from Keith Reyes, the Department of

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Sociology and Anthropology. This is his dissertation from the

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University of Texas at El Paso. Philosopide as child

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Sacrifice in the Judeo Christian worldview of the United

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States, philoside is deemed by American society as one of the most

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incomprehensible merciless acts imaginable. Despite its reprehensible

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nature, over the past 25 years, philicide involving children less than

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five years of age in the United States has accounted for

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61% of all children's deaths, and that is a

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statistic. As of 2005. Contemporary maternal philoside has generally

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been one of two ways the perpetrating mother is either mad or

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bad. The mad mother generally performs philicide as a result of preexisting

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mental illness, usually brought on by postpartum depression, and the bad

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mother performs it as a result of being labeled a cold, evil mother who

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refuses to conform to Western societal standards of mothering. Mothers

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viewed as mentally ill generally conform to Western societal roles. They serve their homes

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in expressive roles, emotionally nurturing their children, and subserviently substantiating

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their husband's roles, the authority in the home in line with the Judeo Christian

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tradition. Okay, subservient wives forget that

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one in my house. But quite often the mothers in these

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relationships experience a lack of social support and have minimum social

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networking outside of their immediate family. These mothers are generally

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older, married. They don't resent their role. And so

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this idea that present research neglects the religious

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institution's ability to create a worldview which orients the action and

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normative behavior of society's members, and this paper

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disguised dissertation was research providing a framework that the

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JudeoChristian religion can create a worldview which

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simultaneously condemns and legitimates philiicide. It doesn't have

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to be a senseless, random act of violence. Rather, it's a consequence of

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the worldview which defines the sacrificial offering of one's

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most valued possessions to God as the quintessential

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act of worship. Okay, that was very

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dissertation language there. But by using

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the studies and things, you're saying that if we think of these

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murders or child sacrifices so disgusting and

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shocking and sometimes people can think they're doing the

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right thing and they don't have to be some kind of if we say

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some kind of primitive religion, some kind of part of

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some kind of cult that we cannot understand. People can warp their views.

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They can use the story of Abraham and everything to warp their view

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and think they're doing something good, even if they're

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raised in the religion most Americans end

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up being raised in. And we talk about little Lord

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Fauntleroy and the possible things that could have happened. Was he an

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unwanted child? He's not neglected because they dressed him up. Is it

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spousal? It could be spousal revenge. I mean, that's something get back at the mom.

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But why didn't the mom ever come to the police? Unless she was killed and

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disappeared too. Right? That's Edmund Lemay right there. Oh,

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my wife disappeared, and my kid died in Argentina.

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Bye. So not neglected, Edmund Lemay. Is spousal revenge

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the other options? I mean, a crazy person dressed their kid up? Acutely

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psychotic absolutely is a possibility, but altruistic,

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which we think of as no way. No way could these things

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be could a child sacrifice someone, justify it in their

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mind? I think they could. I think they could. I think with everything

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you've just presented yeah. It seems like somebody could in some way

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think, this is good that I'm. Doing that's just a little bit.

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Talking about what could the motives be of the murder

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of the poor, tragic story of

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the little boy who was found in the. Walkershaw

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quarry over a hundred years ago. Josh, if people want

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to learn more about your research and tours and the things that

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you're interested in, where can they find you? Americanghostwalks.com you could find

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the Waukesha page active on Instagram and Facebook

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waukeshaghosts. We do a bit more posting in the summer months,

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but there's always a lot of interesting things to find out. And there's

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some stories I don't talk about on the tour. And there's some more information and

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photos on Social where you can discover some more stuff for yourself.

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Yeah, and if you have an idea for a walk of Shaw ghost

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story, reach out to Josh. He'd love to research it and

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maybe add it to his tour. If you have a haunted house, you know where

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to find me, right? Who are you going to call? Josh.

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And once Josh gets the story, I know he'll pass it on to Jeff. And

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you can find Jeff, and he. Can share that story statewide at Badgerland

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Legends on Instagram and Facebook. Badgerlandlegends.com.

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Fantastic. And you can find American ghostwalks

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in seven different states, plus Puerto Rico, all over Wisconsin and

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Wisconsin Legends. And thank you very much for joining us on

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this episode, the tragic episode, the story of a Little Lord

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Fauntleroy on Wisconsin Legends podcast.

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On March 8, 2023, josh and I made a

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pilgrimage to Prairie Home Cemetery in Waukeshaw

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exactly 102 years after the discovery of

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his body. We intended to continue that tradition

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that many Conrads started all those years ago. We

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visited the grave of the unknown boy and placed flowers on that

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grave. We tried to make contact with him to see if he'd

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come through to reveal his identity.

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I know it's been some time since Minnie Conrad has

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visited you, but she was the one that paid for your grave

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and your suit and everything. If there's any sort of

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information you want to give us your name, your family, your parents,

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anything so we can help identify you, that would be great.

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We're going to walk over to Minnie Conrad's grave, and we'll leave this

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here just in case you're shy.

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Although it was unclear whether we made contact with the young

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boy, we intend to keep the tradition alive that many

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Conrads started all those years ago. We hope

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the young boy's soul is at rest.

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In 2010, Mike founded a tourism company called Madison Ghost Walks dedicated to preserving the Wisconsin capitol city’s history and folklore, as well as showing people a great time around the city. Today, Mike has expanded his mission to 6 U.S. states including California, Puerto Rico, and even Hawaii.

Mike performs in the Weird Wisconsin Rock Band, Sunspot, and is the co-host of the See You On The Other Side podcast with pop culture and paranormal themes. He has also been featured on the BBC and TRVL Channel’s In Search of Monsters.
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Jeff Finup

Wisconsin Rapids native Jeff Finup is the mind behind Badgerland Legends, which explores Wisconsin mysteries, a post at a time. Legends, lore, history, oddities, cryptids, and more from the Badger State.